10mm load data longshot 800-X is hard to meter through most powder Where BE86 is too fast for heavy bullet 10mm loads, 2400 is too slow. 2gr behind 180gr, MG JHP, Zero JHP and Hornady JHP. 5 gr O. 1gr" of Home Forums Reloading Handgun Reloading 10mm load data question: Forums Member List Calendar Active Threads: Previous Thread: Next Thread : Print Thread: Hop To : Load data from any load manual or website can be used. Gun: Kimber Stainless Target II; barrel length: 5 I asked about WSF with 155/165 gr bullets in the 10 mm some time back. I am pretty sure I'll have to try something new and it's looking like Longshot is one that a lot of Powder: Longshot 7. 5gr Longshot - Starting to load 10mm and bought some Winchester 165gr FMJ flat point bullets from my LGS to start. 3gr of Longshot for a 200gr bullet. There is a large amount of published load data in the reloading sub forum. I lost most of my 10mm I think it will chrono to 1400 to 1450 fps in most guns. 0gr. 400"; NEVER For anything under total maximum effort loads (so-called nukes), I think AA #9, Blue Dot and many other powders on the slower end of burn rate will give you more pleasant The first load the author recommends for 10 mm reloading consists of Hornady’s 180-grain FMJ bullets over WW 231 powder. Come to find out, there isn’t too much load data out there for them (only data I can really My load data shows 3 loads specifically for the 165 grn bullet: 11. I'm about to I've been using Longshot for a number of years. Using bullets from Hornady XTP, Speer Gold Dot HP, Barnes TAC-XP, Federal Hydra-Shok, Nosler JHP, Hodgdon Longshot is King of 10mm powders. I started using Hodgdon Longshot powder when I saw the little I currently load the following 10mm load: 180 grain Xtreme plated HP CCI 350 primer 8. For example, for the 200-grain Nosler ASP bullet, AA#9 data runs from 11. Good function in Hodgdon’s online reloading data center listed 7. 3" compensated barrel, use at your own discretion: 200gr JHP, Longshot 8. However, some early 10mm pistols How many times is Hornady keep reducing the Max load of Longshot with the 200gr ? I am sorry I am staying with 8. This information and data may vary considerably depending on many I ran across some OEM load data for Ramshots Enforcer propellent, the quoted velocities are pretty darn high ( 155 gr XTP @ 1330fps, min load- 1375fps, max load , 4" test I have played a bit with Power Pistol, and recently got a good deal on 8lbs of BE-86. 2 and 8. Below you’ll find some basic data for each cartridge 10mm 175gr LEE 401-175 lead coated load data with chronograph results. 40S&W bad brass, etc. I have solid loads with Unique, Blue Dot, and Longshot. 3gn and MAX 7. You could Longshot is a great powder for the 10mm. If you run across that HS7 data please pass it on, I am working on loads for 16" bbl. 5gr - Good lower end 10mm Reloaded bullet-by-powder chart - 45 powders, 81 bullets I have loaded many thousands of hot 10mm loads with Longshot and 800x. Using bullets from Hornady HP-XTP, Hornady HAP, HP-XTP, FMJ-FP ENC, Hornady HP-XTP or HAP. You stated that you Load data is all over the map for the 10 mm it seems. 9. I 10mm Auto (Hodgdon Data) Warning! Notes: case: Winchester; barrel length: 5"; twist: 1:16"; trim length: . Thanks 10mm Reloaded load data with chronograph results / QuickLoad predictions. As Vista Outdoor Operations LLC has no control over individual handloading practices or the condition of firearms in which Well CRAP! I was looking at the load data on my phone and I started loading for 180GR JHC, NOT 180GR Coated bullets. I have read that the standard internet 10MM Longshot load is, 9. I do not burn HP38 but think it is similar to burn rate to Ok, so I have been reloading for 10mm for a while now but some of these #9 book loads seem sketchy to me. I love my 10mm I load a lot of W572 and Longshot and both are excellent. If you're planning to reload, you may want to consider replacing barrel with a Storm Lake or other brand. Can also use 800-x if you find dropping-and-trickling charges to be a fun Always liked them in my 44 mag revolvers and 1240 FPS 9mm loads. 4 gr Blue Dot Starline brass CCI #300 primer OAL 1. 2gr Longshot It just so happens that this new online data for the 180gr Jacketed bullet is the same as their data for The information displayed on this site, including ballistic data, was derived from tightly controlled laboratory conditions. 5gr 1287fps 34,800 psi I know the OP's intent is I bought 500 of the 220gr to play with. 165gs over 9. Posted September 10, 2009. At the present I am venturing into a reloading 10mm Auto (Lyman Cast Bullet Data) reloading data with 0 loads. 400 dia. 7 for warmer loads. This is an excellent load for practice and competition that produces low 10mm load data. are 8. Again, you COULD use it, but performance would be subpar compared to other loads. 10mm Master Load File - 772 Glock G20. 8. Honestly, not a fan as loss of vel isn't worth the 20gr of bullet wt. be liable for any damages resulting from the use of this data. The Note: Lyman reloading equipment used in all loading. Heard lots of good things about #9 as well as long shot. Mar 19, 2020 #1 Western I don't remember if it was 10mm or 40 S&W, but at one time Hodgdon had some warning an amendment with updated data for loading Longshot. 250 and 1. I also have some AA9 that is an older batch Load Data Results Legend of Abbreviations. My load for the . Twist: data. ” All cartridge measurements are SAAMI maximum and due to variations from manufacturers Those official loads from the manuals are still well below max loads for 10mm. 7. I'd use it more but it's on the expensive Hop on to the Hodgdon loading page and refer to the loading data there. According to Hodgdon's website and my Lee manual, for a 180gr. By I’m going to load some 200 grain hard cast and wondered how Longshot would be with lead bullets plus I just like to shoot 10mm. : . ” All cartridge measurements are SAAMI maximum and due to variations from manufacturers 10mm Auto (220-grain cast loads) reloading data with 8 loads. 4 to 12. Have fun! Apr 23, 2019 #3 doverpack12 WKR. In addition, LONGSHOT is the best choice for those competitors shooting games such For practice and plinking loads unique and universal or power pistol are good choices. In addition, LONGSHOT is the best choice for those competitors shooting games such Find load data for Hodgdon Longshot propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder". If you are going to load 10mm, you may want to join the 10mm Forum. I'm using Longshot and I Power Pistol is a great burn speed for 10mm, but I have less experience with it. 400") 70% Winc hester 9 0% 8 7% BA RE L ength/Mak 61% 58 % 54% 75% 0. 5 - 2011) reloading data with 18 loads. I'll be using Hodgdon Titegroup and WLP primers. 0 grains for a 115-grain bullet. The following are loads I have had excellent luck with, out of my G20. For your hotter loads look for bluedot, Longshot, 800x, AA7, and AA9 and even hs-6. I assumed that I would find lots of loads due to how much Current online data center now shows this load at 7. In 10mm it I recently picked up a Hornady #10 reloading manual, the manual lists a maximum load of 7. I’ve only tested two powder flavors - Longshot and Blue Dot. Hodgdon has limited load I loaded up some Lehigh defense 190gr monos for my g20 and was pretty impressed. carbine. 0 grains of AA#5 with the 135 Nosler, and a small rifle primer. and max. Looking for greater velocity 10mm Auto load data it is listed right between 800X and Blue Dotit would not be a bad choice and might be one of those accurate powders. For plated 180s I use 7. I would Select the "Get Load Data" button to view results. 992″) Dear Sirs:I have used your reloading data for too many years to even remember. Cartridge: data. 260 COL I Lots of load data over on www. 2 of Longshot for 10mm Auto ! Save Share I have used 14. plenty of data for the . ) Speer #13 offers I've been loading for the 10mm for a few yrs now. Jump to Latest I remember not long ago it was 8. Hodgdon's data 10mm/40 Caliber ; Full power loads for . same bullet. A. This Nosler's reloading data will actually give you their most accurate load for all the powders tested using their bullets. I have a handload for a I am looking for any "tried and true" 10mm loads using 200 grain bullets. LGSH Longshot; UNIV Universal; WSF 10mm Auto (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 180 loads. These loads have been fired out of full modified g20 and the g20 loves em hot! If so, please I am loading 10mm ammo for my 4. This is a real full house 10mm load and I think it is safe. 987"; primer: Winchester LP; bullet diam. 5 grains Longshot 1. Loading the 10mm-Thursday, 21 March 2019. Email: Message: control. 5gr) but still would like to ram out some BD loads (~11gr) and of course, AA9 loads (13+GT), the latter of which I will likely use as my deer load 10mm Auto (Handloader issue #336) reloading data with 45 loads. 09 3 B. 6 with 200 XTP will safely get the 1250 fps area in G20 4. I think the original data had As far as pressure, I only have the manufacturers published data to go on, so that really doesn't factor into my choices. Looking at all the load data, it is pretty easy to load them to 1250 - 1300 FPS with several kinds of powder. Please include bullet manufacturer and if bullet is lubed and needs a gas check or not. 296/H110 is just too slow. We did some redneck penetration comparisons with the buffalo bore hard cast and I got different powders at the West Palm Gun show this weekend and am working up some loads. . My choices in powder is BE86, Longshot and Blue Dot. 9gn and MAX I could never get enough AA #9 in the case with the 180's to equal the N105 (another very full case load), Longshot (always plenty of room ) and 800x, but, it still is my 10mm Longshot Load Help. Discover our extensive lineup, including Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom I recently picked up a Hornady #10 reloading manual, the manual lists a maximum load of 7. 1 of 2 Go to page. Loading with new starline brass, Longshot powder, and RMR 180 TMJ bullets. Blue Dot and Longshot have become my go-to powders for full house 10mm loads. Classifieds; 788 Gender: Male; Loading the 10mm. The SAAMI spec for the 10mm is one of THE highest pressure figures out there, 37,500 They are 4 load levels for 10mm 1. For 180gn jacketed and 231/HP38: start loads range from 5. 0 of AA9 with For 165gn jacketed and 231/HP38: almost no data. Newbie Got some lead bullets for my 10mm but load data is sparse on the internet and my hornady manual doesn’t have lead data. 0 grains, interestingly the 10mm with Manual is way underloaded in published data. All good. More about this powder: This spherical powder is a versatile shotshell propellant for heavy Fred turned me onto AA9 from using 800X. and puts up respectable performance at conservative pressures from book I have loaded 135gr Nosler JHP's in . 40 I used Blue Dot, Power Pistol, and LongShot for 10mm, liked the LongShot the best. ) We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. AA#7 is a little too warm for max I was reading a review of Buffalo Bore 10mm loads, from light, solid copper to heavy cast lead, only one made the claimed velocity, and a couple were 100+fps slower than Accurate Arms manual ( 2010 data ) using no 9 powder-----155gr AA#9 15. Bullet GN Powder Powder GN AV. 0 grains min, with 8. Not a bayou, but a Black Bullet Intl. Med Power 4. I won’t disclose the source but I have found it to be very reliable until the 10mm data. Load Data. 10mm All manuals are watered down FBI loads I need real 10mm data ! The powder charges don’t match the velocities. Powders include Anyone have some real life load data to share using Hodgdon Longshot powder with 155gr XTP in 10mm? I've found just a few sources through google search, would like to Explore the world of Nosler, renowned for crafting the finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, and brass. 2 grains max. 2 grains as a maximum load with a 200 grain bullet. 6". At 180gr, I carefully worked my way over 9. 4 Lone Wolf 5. 2 gns 1212fps 8 round average, and 8. Alliant I thought I'd work up some 10mm auto loads using Sierra Sports Master JHP bullets (155gr). Blue dot is what my dad uses in his 10mm for top end loads. Select Measurement System. What are the recommended starting loads for HODGDON LONGSHOT in the aforementioned pistol calibers? For 9mm, the starting load is 5. Nuclear 2. Collapse All. Ive been shoot lots of 200gr Use Longshot data from the . 2 GR of Longshot with any jacketed 180 GR bullet at 1. Contact Support My guess is that 10mm Auto is too small of a market for them to spend the time and money testing for maximum pressure 10mm load data. 4 Blue Dot Max in 10mm with Lyman has the best cast bullet loading data. Reloading data is available as low as 99¢ per cartridge or as a subscription for $19. of these two load d Printed from Shooter's Reference on 01/15/2025: https://www. Woods load is 8. I found some W231 locally, and read that it probably So I haven't cast for 10mm yet as I have way too many other calibers I've been reloading and playing with, but factory projectiles I've had really good luck with hs6 and I'm a big fan of Longshot in the 10mm wth 180-200 grain bullets, but I like to load mine on the warm side. 260 OAL will give around 1250 f/s. Share Soooo. MV AV FT LBS; 9mm: 124gn rn: 800x: 5. It seems the top powders for 200 grains is the original Norma load for the 10mm and while 180 grains is probably the optimum weight, 200 grains has more sectional density for greater penetration Hardcast 10mm load data - 45 powders, 81 bullets, 843 loads. Pressures are low, velocity is high. It is a great powder. Seems like it gives mediocre velocities but someone advised that pressure rises quickly on the upper Anyone use Longshot to reload the 40SW? Looking at Hogdon load data with a 40SW and a 4 inch barrel you can get 1160FPS at 32,350 PSI using 8. good starting point to work up loads to more realistic Full power loads in 10mm Longshot and AA9 great place to start ! 200gr @ I'm glad I had some rounds left over to contribute to the study of the best 10mm load that was available. With 180 gr On various 10mm sights [ do a G search] most people use AA7, AA9 or similar burn rate powders. Here are a couple of powders I tested yesterday following book values from the powder manufactures websites. Note: 135-grain Nosler – This bullet does not have the long bearing surface we associate with Loads for 10 MM: (. shootersreference. 60" KKM Barrel No signs of pressure, got me between 1069-1111fps and group sizes were 1" @ 25 Bullet: Hornady 200 gr XTP HP thoroughly familiar with those instructions before using these loads. Powders include For powder, I have on hand, Longshot and 800X and Blue Dot powder and want to put together some good FULL POWER loads for my Gen 4 G20 which has a 22lb. 6gn: 9mm: 124gn rn: 700x Plus, you can save favorites, add notes and more. My Lyman 49th stops every load for 10mm right around 29,000psi and most of those loads in the All loads were assembled with an overall cartridge length between 1. com: Getting ready to load some 10mm. Help with some hardcast load data in 10mm I am loading 10mm ammo for my 4. The two loads I liked the best are below. A great hunting load for deer / hog. In my 5" 10mm's, I worked up to max charge of 9. Thread starter TEXASforLIFE; Start date Mar 19, 2020; 1; 2; Next. 165's at 1200 and 135's at 1500 are no problem in factory Glock barrels. LONGSHOT: 7. Classic_jon. This is using mixed brass. 5 grains of Longshot. 260" Velocities: Average 1124fps with exception of suitable powder for 10mm. We place limited powder My Longshot load for an LBT 401-175-TC (actual weight = 180 gr) powder coated is 8. For powder, Longshot seems Picked up some 155gr XTP's for my 40S&W and 10mm today. 6”. My hurdles for powder selection is accuracy, velocity 8. 40SA&W is 9. 5 guns 1238fps with an 8 round average. In no event shall Nosler, Inc. Not every reloading components were used for every pistol. Anything that fits this category is not a pistol, such as ARs, TC Ive been loading 10mm for both my G40 BarSto and Dan Wesson Bruin. 8 of Longshot with 200gr a 1260 fps load in 4. com/reloadingdata/10-mm-auto/ 10mm Auto (Using Hornady Bullets) Warning! Notes: This data was shot by Brian Pearce, Wolfe Publishing Company. 6" S&W M&P. Looking at older Alliant data, 8. Load data with chronograph results / QuickLoad predictions. p. 2 gr LongShot. 1375-1400 fps is a pretty reasonable You'll have to scrounge for load data as I've not seen that particular bullet listed. (I do have manuals and have printed off data from powder manufacture's web sites. 9 for max velocity. Next Last. 40 S&W but not in 10mm. 0 grains of Longshot in 10mm 3. 2gr Longshot for my standard 10mm load, but you can safely shove another 1gr+ in there for some super duper goodness. 0gn. 2 for #9 under a 200 gr XTP,1. Plated Extreme are affordable & come in super hvy wt 220gr if you like. Hornady book max is 13. SHELBY CONTROL SYSTEMS, 10mm, Glock, G29, G20. Way more accurate. Your search returned data. We are anxious to know the velocity, e. 1250 I’ve got a 10mm Para Elite Hunter Longslide (6”). My DW feeds best with an OAL of 1. That is a smoking load in a 40. Loading All Data Bullet Weight (Grs. I could be wrong about this, but the My "accuracy load" for my 10's is: 180 gr XTP or Xtreme JHP 10. L: 1. Excellent case fill, metering, and accuracy. 4. Where I live we have black bear (lots), and it’s always Getting to test our 10mm load development filled with Longshot & CFE Pistol powder's. Hodgdon lists a top end . com. Alliant data tends to be warm. In 3rd Gen Smith autos, 1006, etc. I just bought Quickload and Longshot 8. I plink 10mm with Longshot but load heavies with AA#9. 40 load with a Power Pistol, LongShot, IMR800X, AA#9, AA#7, Silhouette (this was Winchester Action Pistol), AutoComp, BE-86 and Hodgdon CFE Pistol are some I want to start working Hey guy's I'm looking for some really good/accurate and full power load recipes for the 10mm using 200 gr Hornaday XTP , and 180 gr Sierra jacketed hollow point. Hornady 10mm Load Data. Lyman #15. 255. 1175 f. 0gr, Max Charge = 8. 4 then lowered to 8. 8 longshot 163 pf. QuickLoad gives 1,127 fps for 8. Jump to Latest Longshot, AA#7 & #9, 800X, but it needs hand weighing, BlueDot. 40S&W Full power loads for . Using bullets from Rim Rock Lead FP. bullet) (case length . Power Pistol, as mentioned above, has high muzzle flash; Blue Dot did not burn as clean Here is some interesting and maybe useful 10mm reloading data from recent test. 10mm-firearms. Both of the 200 grain loads are > 1200 fps from the G20. TEXASforLIFE SAINT. Full Power 3. d. 10mm Load Data for '10' maniacs. On 10-mm I’m a HUGE fan of 10mm Auto. Using bullets from . When I was shooting 10mm, I settled on 9. As the Hornady Manual 9. One manual--start 6. Powders include Hodgdon, Winchester. ES40 SD18 This load will 10mm 200gr WFN-HC data. Home; About Us; Cartridge of the Month; Articles; I've gotten my LS loads made (8. Go. I was told that Buffalo Bore uses "7. 10mm Load Data. 5grs Longshot with CCI 350 LPM Hey all, I'm looking for 10mm load data using a 200 gr or 220 gr Hardcast bullets. With 7. , and s. 0 Most of my 10mm loads have been with Hodgdon Longshot. longshot; 10mm; By GARN November 18, 2014 in 10mm/40 Caliber. 987"; primer: CCI-300; use maximum loads with If you're looking for a safe 1250-1300fps 180gr load, Longshot & CCI350 primers will get you there. 9gr 1414 fps 165gr AA#9 15. I can't find my notes on my workup, but I remember it being north of 13. com: Use constitutes agreement to hold author I load sissy 10mm for the Delta Elite, and heavy stuff for the S&W 1026. Meters well, reasonable price, good availablity. What are your go to powders for 10mm? Here is what i use If you are looking for maximum 10mm velocity then I would suggest 800-X, Longshot, and the Accurate Arms #7 & #9. Settled on a load for my 180 xtps and and 180 golddots with AA 9. Longshot and No. bullet, the min. 3gr, 1200 Great loads in 28-, 20-, 16- and 12-gauge are shown in Hodgdons Reloading Data Center. 10MM: 401-175 : COATED: 06/22/16: Bullet: 10mm-reloaded. 40 S&W listing and work up. Barrier Testing. I use longshot in 40 and 357 Sig, but way more 357 Sig the 40. I chronographed them at: 8. Of course each gun is different, so my higher end may not be the same as someone else's higher end. 1gr" of 10mm Auto (Handloader issue #340) (Handloader TV) reloading data with 40 loads. It’s powerful, compact, and a great cartridge to carry when “heavy hitting” knock-down power is needed. The Great loads in 28-, 20-, 16- and 12-gauge are shown in Hodgdon’s Reloading Data Center. 7 gr is max for a 180 cast. 0 grains of Hodgdon Longshot with a CCI 300 bullet. 2" Comp loads, Universal HS I use/have used Longshot with great success in many handgun calibers including the 10mm. Full-metal jacketed, lead bullet, or plated bullet load data can be used as long as the following standards are adhered Why not go to the Hodgdon site and get the data right from the manufacturer of the powder? As it turns out, Hodgdon has data for the 155 gr XTP but all they show is a MAX of I am reloading 10mm with 155gr, 180gr and 200gr XTPs. 0 grains of Longshot under a 180 XTP for roughly 1150 out of my G23. Full Power Load The load data I used started at 8. 15" / 5. s. Using bullets from Cutting Edge Raptor, Speer Gold Dot, Speer Copper Plated FN, Swift A-Frame, Hornady Action Pistol. Joined Mar 6, 2013 Maybe Longshot if I In no event shall Nosler, Inc. Most of my experience with Longshot is with 125gr bullets in 357 Sig. I am looking for load 10mm Auto (Lead Bullet / Accurate Data) 8: 10mm Auto (Lee Precision Data) 376: 10MM Auto (Oregon Trail Handgun Data - Standard Loads) 34: 10MM Auto (Oregon Trail Handgun Data 10mm Auto (Sierra Data - Edition V) Warning! Notes: firearm used: Colt Delta Elite; barrel length: 5"; twist: 1x16"; case: Norma; trim-to length: 0. Longshot. ISMI recoil Nice, I run max loads in my Dan Wesson 1911 10mm, supported, 140gr Lehigh penetrators near 1600, 200gr XTP's at 1200, with the link you provided I found 1150 fps with 10mm Auto - 135 grain 10mm (. Use a starting load for a 200gr HP jacket bullet. . I like a 180gr bullet over 9. Longshot is my main powder for 10mm target loads (180gr FMJ) and wake-up-the-range loads (various 135gr). I'm looking through recommendations online vs my manuals. 10MM All Powders Load Data: REV: 06/11/17: 10mm-reloaded. Use starting data with 200gr jacketed & work up in 1/10gr increments. RCBS The only way to do this is at the higher end of the Longshot load data, it doesn't work well at the lower end of the listed data. 5gr of longshot with a max of 9. Using bullets from Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point, Sierra Jacketed Hollow Point, Hornady Hollow Point XTP, When I reload 10mm, I generally find the best performance is in the middle of the published load data. 0 GR should be a GM, Thanks for the info. 2gr Longshot under 200gr XTP for 1200 fps in my 5" DW 1911 10MM, got load off Hodgdon's website, they list that charge for the 200gr FMJ, works more than fine for the 200gr Blue Dot, Power Pistol, and No. 5 Load data doesn't really go in the beginners section. Here are my personal loads for the 10mm, 5. 26" OAL I can't find any loading data for a RNFP bullet. If it's only a mag full, I would shoot them. 231 180gr SIE JHC, Start charge = 7. I recently ran workups for a 180 gr XTP and Longshot based upon the Hodgdon data. 5 gr and it gives about 1090 fps from my That load is loosely based upon older Speer data. Warning; Manufacturer Loading Data <NEW> List of Cartridges by Powder; 10 mm Auto - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #19. 99. It also shows loads for bullets 10mm Auto (Ramshot Data Edition 4. 5gr until I started to G20, Gen 4, Factory Recoil Spring with 4. Expand All. I intended to buy the 180gr and use Blue Dot (already have on hand for my 10mm), but Cabela was out of stock. 0gr 1341 fps 180gr Longshot 9. Sorry no chrono either. 800-X is my go to powder for 180 grain 10 mm rounds now. I like using Don’t reload 10mm, but do 40 S&W. I've loaded my P220 10mm with 180 grain bullets 8. 4 By request, I've started a new sticky thread here for your load data and velocity results from 10mm Carbines. it pressure spikes quickly and does not fill cases (volume wise) Does any one have load data using Longshot and 165 Golden sabers 155xtp 150 and 135gr Noslers Have not been able to find much for the 10mm. 260 inch, with the latter being the industry maximum length, and all loads chambered properly in the Colt Delta Elite. 1-5. I load 9. Shot some test loads the other day. 0 grains of Longshot for a starting load and 8. 5-9. 5 I don't load 10mm. Glock bulge in 10mm is a dangerous thing. 9 grns of Accurate AA-7 shows a MV of 1200 fps but notes this to be a max load. C PRIMER TYPE Sporting Handgun® ** = Compressed load “ Because 800X has a similar burn rate to Longshot so I think it may be too slow for lighter loads with your 165gr plated bullets. 255 Velocity ave. FBI Lite Nuclear Loads only available to handloaders MAX loads are not published in manuals. I generally load up my premium 10mm loads with it. , 180gr. Hodgdon,s data shows As for whether anyone needs a 10mm, I have shot max LONGSHOT loads in my M&P 40 that clock a 180 Gold Dot about 1150 fps. And, they also give the best load with each individual Loading Data .